Gonna chop up some tires

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

Well...this is what I am starting with

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/tires/DSCF1408.JPG

Got this so far. Still gonna do something else. I think i'll do diagonals on the large blocks.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/tires/DSCF1431.JPG

[sglide]

ive done this about once a year for the past five years
just a couple of tips to make it easier
its easer to have it on an axle with the wheel just off the ground so you can roll the tire but still have it be stable for cutting
next is to have a case of beer
it takes along time to cut 4 tires
you might as well be drunk

[Groundhog]

ive done this about once a year for the past five years
just a couple of tips to make it easier
its easer to have it on an axle with the wheel just off the ground so you can roll the tire but still have it be stable for cutting
next is to have a case of beer
it takes along time to cut 4 tires
you might as well be drunk

Good tip Sglide I will remember that one. The only problem I see is Im not sure a case of beer for 4 tires is enough...:hehe::hehe:

[drummond]

Yup, I will be grooving my Iroks sometime this winter....just gave to wait for it to be a little warmer than -6:eek:

[sandman]

Anyone ever try this with A/t's to get them slightly more aggresive????

Not meant to be a thread Hijack Ive heard about this being done but never seen it before.
It looks good keep up the nice work....

[sglide]

Anyone ever try this with A/t's to get them slightly more aggresive????

Not meant to be a thread Hijack Ive heard about this being done but never seen it before.
It looks good keep up the nice work....i did it to a set of bfg at's 3 years ago
it worked great for what they were
but you have to remember that after there cut they will ware twice as fast

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

Anyone ever try this with A/t's to get them slightly more aggresive????

Not meant to be a thread Hijack Ive heard about this being done but never seen it before.
It looks good keep up the nice work....

Heck, Mike took a circular saw to his AT's and they worked great.

I picked up a...umm...less expensive groover off ebay.:hehe:

Works great though. Really didn't take long to do those grooves on that tire.

I'm going to same all the cuttings and then see how much weight I shave off them.

[sandman]

Heck, Mike took a circular saw to his AT's and they worked great.

I picked up a...umm...less expensive groover off ebay.:hehe:

Works great though. Really didn't take long to do those grooves on that tire.

I'm going to same all the cuttings and then see how much weight I shave off them.

I dont think I would be daring enough to try it with a circular saw. Maybe a die grinder with a cut off disc on it??? Whats a less expensive groover??

Also thanks for all the info this could be a great write up for sure:thumbsup:

[sglide]

heres one that is way nicer than the one i use, but same consept
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159737

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

Holy shit, that one is expensive. I figure, how often am I going to do this? So I bought this one off ebay for something like 50 bucks. Came with a #4 head and 12 round #4 blades.

http://i17.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/c5/81/0882_1.JPG

[sglide]

thats the same one i have tim, exept i have almost all the blades and hot irons to 3/4"
on 3/4 you have to really give it time between cuts to let it reheat, and by the time you do 4 tires your a bit sore
but its been used by half the town for many years and it holds up great

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

I'm just adding some edges. Not cutting boggers. :hehe:

[Duffman]

What tires are those?

[Groundhog]

Iroks!!

[drummond]

What tires are those?

pro comp x-terrains

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

Tea, they are XTerrains. I don't know why I am doing this...these tires have never left me wanting more traction. Well, maybe a little lateral traction.

Actually it's the hard pack snow that they could be a little better on.

[nick_n_ii]

My old XTerrains were cut like yous second pics just from inner to outer. Other than damp grass they'd grab on every thing, oh other prob was they seemed to hydro-plane real baddly... But great off road

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

I think i'm gonna chop the big ones like this

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/tires/chop-idea1.jpg

And then I don't know if i'll do anything with the outers like this

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/tires/chop-idea2.jpg

[sandman]

My old XTerrains were cut like yous second pics just from inner to outer. Other than damp grass they'd grab on every thing, oh other prob was they seemed to hydro-plane real baddly... But great off road

So doing this causing you to hydo-plane bad??? Im not questioning you Im trying to learn more about tire cutting/grooving...

[nick_n_ii]

So doing this causing you to hydo-plane bad??? Im not questioning you Im trying to learn more about tire cutting/grooving...


I'm not sure they were cut when I got them, plus ran in reverse direction. So I don't know if it was the tires of the fact they were on 10" wide wheels. Just basicly pointing out my exsperance with the tires.. Other than the Hydro-plane issues I love the tires..

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

I have never experienced any hydroplaning issues with these tires in stock form. I think they would hydroplane from running them in reverse though based on how they channel water and the large block in the center.

[FlamesFearMe]

In nasty mud, they don't seem to clear very well. (watching others, I have never ran them) Do you think that this way of grooving would alleviate that as well?

[sodapop]

here's how I grooved my boggers which are similar to the xterrains.

I've been really please. The only thing I would do different is to make the cuts wider to help even more with lateral stability. They do pretty good as is though.

Edit: Oh and I was really surprised how much weight it ended up being. We did my 2 boggers (35's) and then junk90xj's 2 (33's) and it was quite a bit. We didn't actually put it on a scale but I wouldn't have been surprised if it was more than 8-10 pounds.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/sodapop_yj/Winter%20Build%202006-07/100_1638.jpg

[sglide]

here's how I grooved my boggers which are similar to the xterrains.

I've been really please. The only thing I would do different is to make the cuts wider to help even more with lateral stability. They do pretty good as is though.

Edit: Oh and I was really surprised how much weight it ended up being. We did my 2 boggers (35's) and then junk90xj's 2 (33's) and it was quite a bit. We didn't actually put it on a scale but I wouldn't have been surprised if it was more than 8-10 pounds.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/sodapop_yj/Winter%20Build%202006-07/100_1638.jpgi would like to talk cube into doing this to his
boggers get scary sideways

[sodapop]

i would like to talk cube into doing this to his
boggers get scary sideways

I agree! I wouldn't run uncut boggers unless they were mud drag only tires.

They still slip sideways but I think using a wider blade would fix that considerably more.

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

In nasty mud, they don't seem to clear very well. (watching others, I have never ran them) Do you think that this way of grooving would alleviate that as well?

Never had a problem with them clearing. Followed every kind of tire on the trail with them.

Even Drummond's Iroks.:hehe:

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

I agree! I wouldn't run uncut boggers unless they were mud drag only tires.

They still slip sideways but I think using a wider blade would fix that considerably more.

Holy crap...I HATED my boggers. They were, like you said, great for the drags but they were worthless on the trail.

[sodapop]

Holy crap...I HATED my boggers. They were, like you said, great for the drags but they were worthless on the trail.

I've been VERY impressed with them on the trail - maybe it's the grooves....

I think it all depends, realistically all I can compare them too is my old 33" BFG M/T's which did okay but lost their beads too much. I don't think I would like the boggers on the front though.

My only complaints about the boggers are they are WAY stiff so you have to air them way down and they're still pretty stiff.

[Haggar]

I also have that ideal knife. I found that I can go faster with it if I do cust that are shallow, only about 1/4" deep. I can do two passes to get 1/2" deep without getting the blade too cold.

I know on my SXs, it make a really big difference in both grip and carcass flexibility.

On tip: If you run out of blades, take a regular razor blade(trapeziodal kind from a utility knife). Use a cut off wheel and slice a 1/8" wide strip with the actual cutting edge. Then heat it red hot and bend it into the size of cutter you want. It will be much stronger than the blades that come with the knife.

[Roadhouse]

I'm going to hopefully cut up my BFG Muds this winter. Doubt I'll do my Iroks...but maybe. Ironman has knife, I just need to get some blades for it.

[Beefy]

I'm going to hopefully cut up my BFG Muds this winter. Doubt I'll do my Iroks...but maybe. Ironman has knife, I just need to get some blades for it.

I would like to see how you cut those. Thinkin about maybe doin it to mine... and would like to see your pattern and what you think of it

[Roadhouse]

Beefy, sorry for my crappy mspaint skilz....but I was thinking something like this. Cut the center lugs up to follow the gaps in the outer lugs. Then maybe cut the outer lugs like pictured but more of an angle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Roadhouse66/Misc/grvdbfg.jpg

[bellmer]

Beefy, sorry for my crappy mspaint skilz....but I was thinking something like this. Cut the center lugs up to follow the gaps in the outer lugs. Then maybe cut the outer lugs like pictured but more of an angle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Roadhouse66/Misc/grvdbfg.jpg


my brain doesnt seem to be working what is that in the picture? looks like a trailer w/ a drive axle under it to me

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Roadhouse]

Its a XJ....not mine just a pic I picked up off the net. I believe the build thread for that was on GL

[BIGBEN]

pass rear corner of an xj i believe.

[ddeadserious]

Its a XJ....not mine just a pic I picked up off the net. I believe the build thread for that was on GL

pass rear corner of an xj i believe.

my brain doesnt seem to be working what is that in the picture? looks like a trailer w/ a drive axle under it to me

It's NatureBoyNate47's XJ, can't forget the orange shackles and yellow diff cover.


Roadhouse, that looks like an excellent way to groove those M/T's, definitely post pics if/when you do it.

[sglide]

Roadhouse, that looks like an excellent way to groove those M/T's, definitely post pics if/when you do it.thats what i was thinking, should give that tire a bunch of little fingers to grab with

[sglide]

I also have that ideal knife. I found that I can go faster with it if I do cust that are shallow, only about 1/4" deep. I can do two passes to get 1/2" deep without getting the blade too cold.

I know on my SXs, it make a really big difference in both grip and carcass flexibility.

On tip: If you run out of blades, take a regular razor blade(trapeziodal kind from a utility knife). Use a cut off wheel and slice a 1/8" wide strip with the actual cutting edge. Then heat it red hot and bend it into the size of cutter you want. It will be much stronger than the blades that come with the knife.that is a good idea! the blades that come with it a pretty flimsy

another tip: make sure the tire is really clean, hose it down, wipe it down.......
it takes very little sand to dull the blades

[Haggar]

that is a good idea! the blades that come with it a pretty flimsy

another tip: make sure the tire is really clean, hose it down, wipe it down.......
it takes very little sand to dull the blades

Funny what you come up with when you bust your last blade the night before your trip...

I've found having the 500 watt halogen light positioned 1" from the tire as a preheater always helps. Well, I always seem to be grooving tires in the winter in an unheated garage, so the heat helps. I bet doing it in the summer in the sun would be better.

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

LOL

Someone else said to point a salamander at them to pre-heat them....I was like dude, they are in my heated garage. I mean the 1 I am chopping is. I think I am done with it.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/tires/DSCF1495.JPG

[Beefy]

About how long did that take you Tim?

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

Takes maybe 15 or 20 min a tire.

[nick_n_ii]

Looks good, I cann't wate to hear how they are when you get them out on the trail....

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

Never really had any issues on the trail but I am wondering how much better they are in the hard pack snow and how much better the tread area flexes when aired down.

The tires are great off road...better than almost any swamper I have had and I have had just about all of them except the mall crawling Iroks.

[drummond]

.....except the mall crawling Iroks.

:flip::flip: I didnt see you running that ravine in Canada this fall, so we didnt really get a true comparision:hehe:, I guess Kitson and I are just mall crawlers:dance:

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

I was more worried about the massive traction these give and the fact that my front driveshaft was ready to fall out.

I would have done the hill too if I would have had a less grippy tire like an Irok.




































































:hehe:

[drummond]

:flip:

[Roadhouse]

:flip:

I smell a wheel off:woot:

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

That's why Brent wants beadlocks.






:hehe:

[Beefy]

The Dakota wins.. Hands down thanks for the competition :hehe:

[sglide]

The Dakota wins.. Hands down thanks for the competition :hehe:i should give you an infraction for making completely silly statements in a tech thread

instead ill just let you live with the shame of having a dacota:hehe:

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

hahahahahahahahahhahahaha

[drummond]

That's why Brent wants beadlocks.






:hehe:

:flip::flip:

[Beefy]

i should give you an infraction for making completely silly statements in a tech thread

instead ill just let you live with the shame of having a dacota:hehe:

At least I can admit it :poke: :hehe:



Can I give myself an infraction?
:horse:

No but I could.

[Muddy Maki]

looks realy good muddypaws!

you realy like your x terains that much? i run them also but am not shure if i want to buy another set. i like them they are realy good on the trail but mud and packed snow is not exceptional. mud ehhh ok but horible in reverse. packed snow you might as well be on an ice rink.
let me know how they do grooved! i realy would like to know.

think i would have done the sides too
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/bigmak1987/cutxterain.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/bigmak1987/cutxterain2.jpg

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

Yea, I really do like them that much. I have never had any issues with traction in mud...forward or reverse. Maybe because I had the power to spin them. Hard pack snow....well....I haven't had a mud tire yet that was worth a damn on hard pack.

I thought about doing the edges, and am still thinking about it, but there is quite a bit of rock rash out there and I think it may weaken the outer lugs too much and they may pull off. Not sure though.

[sglide]

Yea, I really do like them that much. I have never had any issues with traction in mud...forward or reverse. Maybe because I had the power to spin them. Hard pack snow....well....I haven't had a mud tire yet that was worth a damn on hard pack.

I thought about doing the edges, and am still thinking about it, but there is quite a bit of rock rash out there and I think it may weaken the outer lugs too much and they may pull off. Not sure though.baha claws were really great in the hard pack
go figure:wtf:

[Shaker]

baha claws were really great in the hard pack
go figure:wtf:


So are trxus.

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

baha claws were really great in the hard pack
go figure:wtf:

I call bullshit. :flip:

I had a new set of 33 inch claws for a few months and got rig of those worthless hunks of crap before the snow flew. If they were good in hard pack, than that was the only thing they were good in.

I would rather run thornbirds than run claws again.

===========================

trxus are snow tires:poke: so they better be good in the hard pack.

===========================

Maki, where did you get that pic of the X's cut?

[Roadhouse]

Maki, where did you get that pic of the X's cut?

looks like he made it.

[sglide]

dont know what to tell you tim, the claws were great in the snow, way better than my ltbs
and you know how much i love the ltb

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

I never ran my claws in the snow...didn't have them long enough. Shit, they were down to 50% tread in one summer. God I hated those tires.

[sglide]

ya, they get bald really fast
i recut them 3 times in one year

[alboy79]

Holy shit, that one is expensive. I figure, how often am I going to do this? So I bought this one off ebay for something like 50 bucks. Came with a #4 head and 12 round #4 blades.

http://i17.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/c5/81/0882_1.JPG

exact same one i have. got mine off ebay also. ive done my 38" boggers and SXs with it as well as a set of xterrains and my dads 36" SXs. nice little groover for the money.

[MuddyPaws 3.0]

Yea...working good...but don't leave it on and not use it. Mine is a little warped now. The fin looking things aren't right. Still works fine though.

[ddeadserious]

Beefy, sorry for my crappy mspaint skilz....but I was thinking something like this. Cut the center lugs up to follow the gaps in the outer lugs. Then maybe cut the outer lugs like pictured but more of an angle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Roadhouse66/Misc/grvdbfg.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/drbabs/BrettEbay2008set1001.jpg
This guy's selling these, the grooving made me think of your idea. http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=74866

[Roadhouse]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n101/drbabs/BrettEbay2008set1001.jpg
This guy's selling these, the grooving made me think of your idea. http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=74866

I like the one on the right. The one on the left looks like the grooving they did for Corr racing when they used bfg.